We were thrilled to welcome Deval Patrick to HOW Conversations this month. The Honorable Patrick served two terms as the governor of Massachusetts, the first Black person to serve in that role. He is now a professor of practice and the co-director of the Center for Public Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School.

“I don’t think there is such a thing as leadership without ethical or moral leadership,” he tells Distinguished HOW Fellow, Dana Born, in a conversation that touches on leading during crisis, the need for moral leadership in a democracy, and why Governor Patrick believes that leaders can be kind and generous but still have the tough-mindedness to make hard choices. “It is about struggling with the conflicts that you will always find as a leader, as a human being for that matter, between the thing you think you need to do that’s expeditious or seems convenient at the time, and the right thing over time.”

Watch the new episode of HOW Conversations with Governor Patrick and Dana Born.