What does it take to lead with principle in a system defined by pressure, trade-offs, and competing interests?
In this HOW Conversation, HOW founder Dov Seidman sits down with David Gelles, best-selling author and climate reporter for The New York Times, to explore the central paradox of modern capitalism: how businesses can be both profitable and purposeful—without ever fully resolving the tension between the two.
Drawing from Gelles’ latest book Dirtbag Billionaire, the conversation examines the story of Yvon Chouinard, founder of Patagonia—a company built on contradictions: an anti-capitalist running a successful apparel brand striving to protect the very environment it impacts.
Together, they unpack the idea of “compound interest of values,” how leaders can center humanity, the urgent leadership questions emerging in the age of AI disruption, and much more.
